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Lessons About Learning from Coal Seam Gas Activist, “The Frackman”

Posted by Colin Klupiec on March 11, 2016 at 7:30 PM

Dayne_Pratzky-894123-edited.jpgYou might be wondering what coal seam gas has to do with learning.

But for ordinary Australian, and now film maker Dayne Pratzky, the “Frackman”, it’s become a major issue.

Australia is currently experiencing a “gas rush”, and when the Queensland Gas Company arrived at Dayne Pratzky’s home to inform him that drilling for coal seam gas was about to commence on his property, a battle started that would see Dayne become a global activist fighting against a multi-billion dollar industry.

Dayne learnt much about the coal seam gas industry, but also about himself, and what people can do to help themselves in the face of seemingly insurmountable tasks.

This is a message for all Australians, with particular focus on our next generations. Listen to this Learning Capacity podcast episode to hear Dayne tell his story:


Topics covered

  1. Learning
  2. Coal seam gas
  3. Dangers of fracking
  4. Confidence, Resilience, Persistence

People mentioned

  1. Drew Hutton - environmental activist
  2. Bob Brown - former leader of The Greens
  3. President Obama
  4. Julia Gillard - former Australian Prime Minister
  5. Dr Mariann Lloyd-Smith - Senior Advisor to the National Toxics Network
  6. Jeremy Buckingham - Member NSW Parliament
  7. Richard Todd from Aquarius Productions
  8. Liz Hayes - presenter on 60 Minutes
  9. Kjerulf Ainsworth - environmental activist

Resources/books/articles mentioned

  1. Four Corners
  2. 60 Minutes
  3. The Australian
  4. Sunrise
  5. Lateline

Other Links

  1. National Toxics Network
  2. Frackman the movie
  3. The Frackman on Facebook
  4. Screen Australia
  5. Screen West
  6. Screen Queensland
  7. Lock the Gate
  8. Australian Youth Climate Coalition
  9. Queensland Gas Company

Previous podcast episodes on SoundCloud

If you would like to read the complete podcast transcript, here it is:

Episode 34 of The Learning Capacity Podcast

The Frackman – What Dayne Pratzky Learnt When He Opposed Coal Seam Gas Exploration on His Farm

Colin Klupiec: This is The Learning Capacity Podcast, you're with Colin Klupiec. This podcast is brought to you by LearnFast, improving student learning outcomes with neuroscience programs since 1999.

You might be wondering what coal seam gas has to do with learning, but for ordinary Australian and now filmmaker Dayne Pratzky, “The Frackman”, it's become a major issue.

For those of you not familiar with the coal seam gas issue in Australia and The Frackman film, have a listen to this quick intro from the film's trailer before we dive into Dayne's fascinating journey of learning.


Dialogue from “The Frackman” film’s trailer

Man: Sit down as you listen to this. Four hundred and thirty seven million hectares of Australia is covered by coal seam gas licenses or applications.

Dayne Pratzky: I lived in Sydney, some of the best times of my life and then I'd hit 30, what did I have? Nothing. I went on the internet and found some land in Tara. It was called the Tara estate. The dream was to develop a property and potentially start a family.

One day a guy drove down my driveway and said I'm Queensland Gas Company, we're going to sink a well down the back of your place, and if you don't like it, there's nothing you can do about it. That land sat on top of billions of dollars worth of gas and the industry are going to stop at nothing to get it.

Woman 1: They all say I have to leave here.

Woman 2: I think nearly every kid in this estate is sick.

Dayne: This is hydrogen sulphide in the air, that's what's making everyone sick.

Woman 3: Blood just pours out of his nose.

Dayne: You see your friends...it's when I actually get angry.

Man: There's nobody out there to help us.

Dayne: I'm the worst environmental activist this world has ever seen, but in the end it was the only way to get something done.


Colin: It sounds like a scary story, and for those people with coal seam gas wells on their properties, it is. But The Frackman movie is a story of perseverance, of how ordinary people can rise up to do extraordinary things with abilities they never knew they possessed. We also know that this is not just a story about one man, it's a story that ultimately involves all of us as we question our nation's future energy supply.

What can we learn from it and what will we do about it? Dayne Pratzky, thanks for joining us.

Dayne: Hey, thanks for having me, I appreciate it.

Frackman.jpgColin: I'd like to get on to your personal journey shortly, but to give our listeners a little bit more context you've been given a couple of really cool sounding labels, somewhat affectionately I would imagine, such as The Frackman and Accidental Activist.

Tell me, did this transformation take place the moment the Queensland Gas Company drove down your driveway or did it take a while to sink in? Did they leave and you think what was all that about and what's about to happen? Can you talk me through that?

Dayne: It's quite funny, you know? That's why the story is so captivating to a lot of people. Little did I know that the moment that guy drove down my driveway I automatically became an activist basically because I disagreed with what the government was trying to force upon me. I had no idea at that point in time it would change my life, but it definitely has.

I still don't call myself an activist. I'm just the average Aussie bloke who decided that enough was enough. I think that a lot of people are activists and they don't know it. If you're upset about anything the government says you're branded as an activist. Unfortunately, the activist tag has...you know some people don't look at it as endearing, and I say I'm not an activist, people who identify themselves as activists should be proud. I can see why, because they generally stand up for what's good in the world. 

Colin: I'm just thinking about that image that we see in the movie promotional material where you're standing there in a white suit with a gas mask on saying "no fracking way." I think that's a dead ringer for an activist though, wouldn't you say?

 Dayne: Yes, in some respects, it is but for me I've learned to use the media. That's one of the tools that activists or people who are trying to get a message across have to learn and that's the way of the media. And I learned that they needed images and they wanted a striking image and a guy standing there in a hazmat suit with a gas mask instantly says toxic.

And that's the message I wanted to get across. I only ever put that suit on three times in my entire life but every single time I did I ended up on the news. I try not to make a nuisance of myself but I really wanted to get my point across and to be honest with you it was one of those endearing images once again that has cemented me in the public eye so to speak.

Colin: Look, I was completely convinced.

Dayne: Great, got you hook, line and sinker the minute you saw it.

Colin: Yes, you certainly did. I'm really curious now after having moved off your land, it's been some time now, I would imagine that coal seam gas activities are just going ahead full steam. Can you tell us, what would it actually be like to live in that area now?

People who are listening to this are most likely going to be living in a suburban environment, maybe in a city, somewhere like that. People generally don't know what this kind of infrastructure looks like or what it's like to live around. What can you tell us about that?

Dayne: The area in Chinchilla region has been decimated, I'd say, by the coal seam gas industry. It was a rural landscape where people grew food, there were a lot of cotton farmers out there. There's a lot of feedlots, people raise cattle and there was some lifestyle blocks as well. When I say lifestyle blocks, they are not good for farming but they are good to live on. I had 250 acres of what was called a lifestyle block.

What we found was that most people move there for the lifestyle or to run a business on a farm. Once the coal seam gas industry came over the top of us, we were competing land users and competing for water and competing for resources. This is not coal seam gas that goes into our barbecues. This is coal seam gas that heads off to China and India. So we are being asked to pay the price so China and India can have a cheaper energy source and I don't think that's fair.

So the whole area ended up being industrialized. When you live in a rural setting, that's what you're there for. You're not there to live in a factory so to speak. And that's what it ended up like. If you see it from the air it's like a pin cushion of gas wells everywhere with big ponds and massive reverse osmosis plants which cleans the dirty water, or tries to clean the dirty water. There's drilling rigs everywhere, there's pipelines. It really is a distortion of the country. It's really quite a shame what's happened to that beautiful Darling Downs district.

Colin: It must be pretty taxing on the roads with semi trailers and stuff driving around. Is it dangerous in that respect?

Dayne: When the industry first came to town I was surprised that there weren't more deaths. In the end, most of the deaths came from workers who drive out there. They just drove absolutely crazy. They didn't understand the rights of a single carriageway. When I say single carriageway, when you have to overtake somebody you would put two wheels off the road, and the oncoming vehicle would put two wheels off the road and you would slow down and you would just pass that way.

Once the industry came along, it just became a death trap, an absolute death trap. You can see in the film some of the points where I have to drop the wheels off the road and the trucks didn't understand to slow down because they weren't local people. The staggering cost to the council which has ended up being the rate payers, to maintain those roads for industry that's taking 87% of the profits offshore it's very, very unfair that that sort of thing happens.

Colin: So we've got the larger scale infrastructure that people have to live with that's around them but then on a more individual level without going into too much of the science, just so that our listeners get an idea of what's actually going on. Someone walks onto your land and then they say I'm going to put a drilling rig in, I'm going to sink a well on your land and then I'm going to fracture the ground underneath where you live or near where your house is, I guess, reasonably close, and just start mining operations on your land. Is that right?

Dayne: That is correct, sir. In the early days what happened was if you owned the land, you owned the resources underneath of it. Early in the 19th century, the federal government decided they would take that right away. The crown now owns the resources. It was mainly back in the early days when the kings in England wanted the gold and the copper underground so they basically took those rights from the people. They did exactly the same thing in Australia but they did it with oil, gas and coal as well.

Their thought process behind that was this resource should be for the greater good. But what it did was it neglected the person who had to live with that resource extraction. So for myself, they wanted to drill 10 wells at my place and I was just supposed to suck it up. I was supposed to take a compensation package from them which amounted, for me, an offer of $1500 a well, but it made my property...it rendered it useless to me. I moved there for the peace and quiet not for a drilling rig next to my house.

Colin: Yeah.

Dayne: They say you don't have the right, but I said trespass overrides the crown owning the resources and no one wants to push that issue. The industry doesn't want to push that issue because they know they potentially will lose. So it's one of those things that they say you don't have the right but I still feel you do. It just whether you decide to push that issue. 

Learning journey

Colin: Coming back to your personal journey, and I'm calling it your learning journey. You must have felt completely out of your depth when this thing started to become an issue for you. Can you share with us what was actually going on in your mind when you knew that this was going to become really really big?

Dayne: It's one of those tricky situations where you don't realize what you are doing is going to become big. I was really looking after myself and my neighbours because of what was directly happening to us. When I looked into the project I worked out, wow, this is actually a huge project that is going to affect hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions of people.

There wasn't that defining moment where, wow, this is big but once we did our second Four Corners story and we had been on 60 minutes and on the front page of The Australian, I sit back now and look and think wow! This did become really big and it became really big really quickly.

It's the biggest social movement this country has ever seen, bigger than The Vietnam war. It's bigger than anything. It never really came to that point where it was like, bang! Okay this is huge. It just sort of slowly snowballed. Now you stand back and... People didn't know what coal seam gas was. Now they do.

And that's because of how the phenomenon that came with it, with people just saying hey, I'm not gonna be part of this. When people realized the government wanted hundreds of thousands of wells across Australia, I think a lot of farmers and people in the outback looked and said, well hang on, we have to be part of this whether we like it or not.

So they looked and did the research and then before you know it all these farmers got involved. So you've got a lot of people west of the great divide saying, hey guess what, I'm an activist and I'm against this. That is how big it has actually become. It's really quite a phenomenon now. Really, to be honest, coal seam gas was the new black for protesting back in 2010 and now it's just a staple part of life for many people.

Colin: Did you feel any sense of nervousness, anxiety as this thing started to build a pace. It must have been daunting on you fairly heavily as you were talking to 60 minutes, Four Corners. It must have had some sort of an impact on your sense of where this was all going, surely.

Dayne: It definitely did in the end. Like I said, hindsight is beautiful. You can sit back now and think wow, this has been going on for six years and look at all this amazing media and education we've been able to provide to people. But while it was happening, I was so wrapped up in just trying to right a wrong that I didn't actually see how big it had become. Like I said, I'm going into six years now, now the film has been made.

r1402139_20019612.jpgI've sat back and just in the last 12 months, being on the project, I have done Lateline, Sunrise, you obviously know about all the major newspapers. It sort of sneaks up on you so to speak, and then when you...I started to ask people...when I go to a café or something, I'll say "Do you know about coal seam gas?" Now, 90% of the people say, yes we know about coal seam gas and fracking, and we're not really happy and not keen on it.

Back in 2010, 2011 you'd ask people and they would look at you with a blank stare. What are you talking about? It never really came to that pivotal moment where it was like an aha, wow, this is huge. But obviously, it snowballed into this amazing movement of all walks of life.

Lessons about learning

Colin: You've told me in a previous conversation that your schooling all those years ago probably wasn't the best preparation for this kind of a job if I can put it that way?

Dayne: I should have said lack of schooling in that stuff..

Colin: What were the main things then over the journey that for you personally gave you the skills to go from...you've gone from knowing very little about coal seam gas to global activist, film maker, I've got a movie in the iTunes store. That's a pretty good achievement.

Lessons about learning

What were the major things for you that helped you get those skills?

Dayne: I think, for me, coming from a background that wasn't comparable to what I'm doing now, I had to be smart enough to take advice, and look at all points of view, and look at people who were quite successful in that industry, and try and replicate what they were doing. So a lot of the ways I became successful in this field was by watching and learning, and taking on board advice.

Drew Hutton said to me once before, Drew Hutton, he was the part founder of The Greens with Bob Brown, he said, "you never negotiate from a position of weakness." So I took that on and that was one of my main interests. Become strong and then negotiate.

Liz Hayes, from 60 minutes, taught me about characters and about having a story and an image that people want to see which in the end, was the birth of the character, Frackman.

By taking those lessons that are out there, you've got to take them and put your own spin on them, and run with it. It's all out there to learn. It's just whether you're smart enough to take advice from people. And that's my biggest message to people. Always listen to advice and decide whether it is right for you or not.

Colin: Did the science put you off a little bit?

Dayne: The science was scary. It really was. And then once again, I found the best way to deal with the science was to go to a scientist.

You don't have to know everything

You don't have to be a scientist. I don't have to pretend to be a scientist. You don't have to know everything, but it's great to pick those people you trust and use them and their knowledge. You don't have to reinvent the wheel. What you have to do is learn more about the wheel.

That was my take and everything. I wasn't a fracking expert. But National Toxics Network in Australia is a fantastic organization. There was a lady named Mariann Lloyd-Smith. Now Mariann Lloyd-Smith is used to dealing with toxic chemicals and things like that so I contacted Mariann Lloyd-Smith and learned a lot from her.

Never close yourself off to a point of view, to information

The main message really is never close yourself off to a point of view and never close yourself off to information. Books are fantastic, internet is fantastic, learning is something that I now strive for and have a hunger for is this knowledge. I wish I had it back at school I tell you.

Colin: I must admit watching the film I don't know weather I was supposed to chuckle at this but I particularly liked the way you learned about how to store chemicals, storing those toxic samples in coffee jars gave me a bit of a laugh.

Dayne: Don't worry, it gave me a laugh too.

Colin: Looking back now do you look at that and go whoops?

Dayne: Whoops, that's right. A little bit of research would've gone a long way, you see, back in those early days. Initially I just went into it head on like a bull just trying to do this and trying to do that. In the end when I slowed down and thought hang on, take stock and that's when I learned the reality is that I'm not a scientist and the best thing for me to do is actually go to scientists and ask what to do. Collecting samples that you want tested in a coffee jar is akin to stupidity I would say.

Colin: The thing I found so interesting in the film was the things that you were testing for were often volatile and kind of disappeared after a while if you didn't test them quickly enough. Is that right?

Dayne: That is correct. A lot of these chemicals that they use have a flash off sort of period. So they actually dissolve into the air.. You have to keep them air tight in an air tight container obviously not a coffee jar. They do dissolve.

This is one of the issues that the industry has. They say to the government, hey we're not using this chemical but that chemical dissolves and is pretty much undetectable within a week. So unless the authorities are there on the spot to test for it they don't know it's being used and those chemicals can be toxic. 

Underground, they can generally stay there but as soon as they get exposed to the air they evaporate much the same as fuel. If you put petrol in a plastic Jerry can and you do the lid up you see it expands. The chemicals are coming off the fuel and you open that lid up and they all go.

You've just released all those chemicals and those chemicals are obviously no longer in the fuel. It's one of those situations where you need to be far more scientific and far more of a specialist than I ever was to do that sort of thing.

Colin: I think the reality that we learned from the film though is that that part is actually very scary because not only do you have the gas well that has fractured the ground underneath it, just sort of randomly releasing gas that's going to get somehow collected, but you've also got...so that's the gas part which you don't want to be breathing any way but then you've also got the chemicals which are very toxic, which are as you just described, during normal use just evaporating into the atmosphere that we breathe.

Dayne: Correct. The industry, as Mariann Lloyd-Smith taught me, is a toxic lottery. You don't actually know what is going to happen. They have an idea, and they hope it all goes well but unfortunately when just a small percentage of wells go wrong or a small percentage of the processing goes wrong, you end up with a toxic mess.

And this is the issue with coal seam gas. You have to drill so many wells that you never actually 100% know. They hope they know, and they hope things go right, but as we all know, with anything, no one heads off to school or on the way to school or on the way to work and wants to have a car accident. But they happen and when they happen they're serious. It's exactly the same with coal seam gas. When an accident happens, it's generally serious.

Colin: So what you are saying is there is a real element of randomness in the whole mining process. Do they ever sink a well and then think oh well, there is nothing there, let's move on to the next site?

Dayne: They most definitely do. It's called a P&A, a plug and abandon. So once the wells stop producing they plug and abandon them. So one of the biggest issues surrounding a plug and abandonment is they drill the well so they...picture this.

You've got a drill that your father or somebody's got in the garage and you put five pieces of timber together and you drill through all those five pieces of timber. You pull that out and you put in a steel pipe. Now, what you're trying to do is suck the gas up through that steel pipe. Now if that steel pipe corrodes, which they always do, you have this connectivity between all the layers.

It's exactly the same as the strata underneath the ground. So we have water aquifers. Those water aquifers do not mix with dirty water aquifers which are also underground. Some are deeper than others. When you drill through all these layers to get to the gas underneath, the coal formation where they suck the gas from, you are interconnecting all those layers.

So dirty water to the clean water. When the steel casings rot what happens? You have like the straw, like a straw in a drink. It can actually contaminate the clean aquifers. Once again, I am not even very good at explaining that, but it's one of those situations that the damage is done and they fill those steel pipes full of concrete. Most people know in the building trade, that the concrete corrodes much the same as steel does. When they plug and abandon these wells they are supposed to last forever. Clearly, they are not going to.

The inter-generational problems that we are causing by drilling these wells are unbelievable. It's a very short sighted, sort of gold rush mentality. To make as much money as possible. Not looking 50, 100, 150, 200 years down the track when our kids' kids' kids are going to be looking at that saying hang on, were you guys absolutely crazy? Were you not thinking?

That's one of the biggest issues with coal seam gas. The legacy that's left will be felt by just the people walking on the Earth today, but it's our children, and their children, and their children who are actually going to pay the biggest price, not us.

Colin: Let's just stay on that issue of the future children then. You've ended up in a place that doesn't really sound like your standard job pathway. I don't think you went down to the local recruiting office and said I want to go down this path because I want to be this person at the end.

Message for younger people

What's your message to younger people now, knowing what we know now, and what we think is going to happen in the future? What's your message to young people who might not feel that they are on the standard pathway either?

Dayne: Never give up. Have a dream and believe in it. It's funny because I didn't go to high school very long. I didn't get a year 10 certificate. I quit school and I went into a butcher's apprenticeship. I just worked along the path. I worked on building sites. I did industrial diving.

And no one ever said to me, one day you will make a difference in this country, but I had the belief in my self. I backed myself and took messages from other people, and knowledge from other people, and turned myself into something that I am today.

If you bet me a million dollars, even 10 years ago, that I would be in this situation now, I would have taken that bet. I would have doubled it. But the reality is that life changes and opportunities present themselves.

It's to grab every opportunity by the horns and run with it.

Because everyone is special. Everyone is special. Everyone has something to teach. It's whether you are smart enough to learn it and it's whether you can get your message across.

Frackman2.jpgIt's really been enlightening for me to sit back and meet the people I've meet because you know people come to me and say you are doing such a fantastic job. When in actual fact that person who's just said that, I've seen them at protests. I've seen them writing submissions to senate inquiries. I've seen them in the background on the TV. They're actually just as important as I am. They really are.

It's up to you, the individual, to set your path and just go for it. And if it doesn't end up the way you actually want it to, or you think it will so be it, it doesn't matter. You've had a go.

Right now I am building a house. I'm trying to build a house. I'm not a builder. So what do I do? I bring in the contractors, but I'm running a building site. That is new to me. But I've taken the challenge on and I'm running with it, and I'm learning as I go. I am taking knowledge from people as I go.

You can do anything you want in this world. You really, really can.

Look at President Obama. Perfect example. The first African-American man to be the president of the United States.

Julia Gillard, same again.  She became the first female prime minster of this country. That is amazing and that's because she set her heart on it and President Obama set his heart on it and they went for it.

Whether you like these politicians or not what an amazing thing they did. 

And I'd imagine the knock backs those guys got throughout their lives would've been intense but what did they do? They got to where they wanted to be and sometimes, just sometimes that path changes. I went out there to be quiet and have this lifestyle of self sufficiency and look at where it led me.

Lessons About Learning from Coal Seam Gas Activist, “Frackman”

That's amazing. That is amazing and that's because she set her heart on it and President Obama set his heart on it and they went for it.

And I'd imagine the knock backs those guys got throughout their lives would've been intense but what did they do? They got to where they wanted to be and sometimes, just sometimes that path changes. I went out there to be quiet and have this lifestyle of self sufficiency and look at where it led me.

Colin: The opposite of what you wanted.

Dayne: It's really because those opportunities were presented to me and instead of walking away saying oh, I'm not a TV person, I am a bit scared of that which I definitely was, but you know what? I embraced it and I tell you what there were some muck ups along the way.

There was a few instances where I just thought oh my god, I'm seen on TV saying something I'm thinking. I say I'm really silly and very self conscious of the way I was speaking. You know what? I just grabbed it and ran with it and look at where we are now. Now I'm looking at standing for local counsel in Forster here where I am living.

Colin: Okay, great!

Dayne: It's a long way from standing up and saying hey I do count, my message is important and I want people to hear it and just never backing down.

Colin: One of the comments you made earlier in this interview and the one that is coming back now you're inferring it, is the idea of younger people or even yourself taking advice. I think that seems to be a consistent message right throughout this story. Were there any people in particular, if you could nail it down to one or two, whose advice you really look back on and think yep, that's the person that really changed it for me, who would they be?

Dayne: Drew Hutton. He was one of the stand out people for me. He is a very very smart man. He'd been in politics for many many years. He dealt with hostile media, hostile governments and he taught me one foot in front of the other.

You're not going to have a win every day and when you do have a win enjoy it and don't be hard on yourself. Drew Hutton, he is a very intelligent man and that's why, I think, I owe a lot of my success to Drew Hutton.

Because I managed to listen, learn and it doesn't hurt to take notes and go home and study what they say. And before you know it you can be in a position of power, so to speak. I'm not saying I'm in a position of power but I definitely do have a voice that people hear. So I would say Drew Hutton.

Also Kjerulf Ainsworth and people in the activist movement don't like the Ainsworth family. They're the people that make aristocrat poker machines. They're worth close to a billion dollars. We became friends and he also taught me some lessons about, once again, one foot in front of the other.

Things don't always go right but if you just keep on going, basically we've all seen the old meme with the person in the pelican's mouth but they've got the pelican by the throat.

Colin: Yes, that's right.

Dayne: It's keep on going, never give up.

Never give up & dream big

That was the message that every successful person I ever worked with just said that. Don't give up. Look at Jeremy Buckingham, perfect example. He was a plumber in Orange. A plumber. Look at where he is now. He's in the New South Wales State Parliament. Why? Because he didn't give up, he didn't give up. Will he go further? I think the man will because he's clearly cut his teeth and he's shown that he's an intelligent guy that has a future in politics.

All those people have always said the same thing to me. Never give up. If there's any message I can relay to other people is never give up and dream big. Always dream big and if you don't get there, you didn't fail, you're a winner because you tried.

Colin: So presumably the coal seam gas issue is still an issue. How do young people these days get involved? Can they do anything about it? I'm thinking about school aged children.

Some school aged children now might be thinking I'm not an activist, I don't know what I am, but this sounds interesting to me. Others may be thinking, actually I think I might like to study science and this really interests me. What can they do?

Dayne: There's a fantastic organization called the ACC, the Australian Climate Coalition and that's school aged children. They do absolutely amazing things and they are people of school children's age or generally under 20, who are all about the youth and the climate and environmental activism. That's a really good place to start.

Lock the Gate is another great place to get involved in. Lock the Gate was only born about six years ago and now they are the biggest active environmental group in this country. Get on to Lock the Gate or the Australian Youth Climate Coalition, they are absolutely fantastic. There's something that the school children can do. Or low and behold, go out on your own.

Start your own group. That's the way these things work. You can educate yourself and that is the beauty of this whole movement, it's how much you want to put into it. If you want to educate yourself, then you become a source of knowledge. All of a sudden people will start coming to you, asking you questions. It's never too late to start a new group, so to speak.

Colin: Starting a new group is obviously something you have quite a bit of experience with. Perhaps not a group but you've started something, you made a movie. You've created your own documentary.

Dayne: Correct. I wasn't a filmmaker. Once again, I was not a filmmaker. I bought a camera and I thought I'm gonna make a film. I quickly worked out with, once again, some research and speaking to people, that I had no chance of making a film. So what did I do?

I engaged Richard Todd from Aquarius Productions in Margaret River. Now Richard Todd came along and saw the story and thought wow! This is an important thing that needs to be made. So I worked hand in hand with Richard and then Richard brought in some other filmmakers and before you knew it we had a budget of over a million dollars of government money that had been supplied through Screen Australia, Screen West and Screen Queensland. So those filmmakers brought that in.

Once again, it all comes down to taking advice and bringing people into your inner circle that can mutually benefit you. I benefit the film makers because I had the story, but I couldn't make the film.

So obviously you bring in the people that can make the film and look at where we are now. I don't call myself a filmmaker. I'm more of a participant in a film. You know, once again, bring on the people who can do the job.

Colin: Dayne Pratzky, it's an inspiring story. Thanks so much for your time.

Dayne: Hey, thanks for having me. Please go to The Frackman on Facebook and check out me, personally. Or streamingmoviesright.com/au/movie/frackman/  if you are interested in watching the DVD online or you can buy the DVD in person now.

The film is out there to watch, please watch it and friend me. Share it round and get educated and get involved.

Colin: I'm sure you'll get plenty of takers.

Dayne: Thank you very much for your time, I really appreciate it.

Colin: You've been listening to The Learning Capacity Podcast brought to you by LearnFast. To find out more about The Frackman movie, the issues surrounding coal seam gas in Australia and what you can do about it visit streamingmoviesright.com/au/movie/frackman/. And to find out more about LearnFast, visit learnfasthome.com.au where you can also subscribe to the blog. I'm Colin Klupiec, until next time, bye for now.


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